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		<title>Comment on Everything More or Everything More+? Which is a better deal? by Dan Rapp</title>
		<link>http://ministryplace.net/2010/03/everything-more-or-everything-more-which-is-a-better-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Rapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put Pastor Lacy!

Run the same analogy againts the AT&amp;T family plan to include 2 Iphones...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put Pastor Lacy!</p>
<p>Run the same analogy againts the AT&amp;T family plan to include 2 Iphones&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on #symc2010 The Myth of the Rockstar Youth Pastor by rev.spike</title>
		<link>http://ministryplace.net/2010/02/symc2010-the-myth-of-the-rockstar-youth-pastor/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>rev.spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that all ministries/ministers have the same choice to make: to please men or to please God. 

For the YP &quot;priority&quot; often comes down to what the parents or SP are breathing down their neck about; more or less of X,Y, or Z. In short, what I have to do so that I can do what I want to do; continue to minister to the students. 

Ultimately, God measures our ministry in terms of faithfulness, not coolness and thankfully, not based on the number of happy parents, pastors, or board members there are in our entourage. One day we will stand before God to give account for our ministry. Not before boards, well meaning parents, and definitely not fickle tweens who, if they chose you because you were &#039;cool&#039;, won&#039;t be around long anyway because there is always someone cooler than you. 

Is your ministry drawing attention to Jesus Christ? That is the ultimate question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that all ministries/ministers have the same choice to make: to please men or to please God. </p>
<p>For the YP &#8220;priority&#8221; often comes down to what the parents or SP are breathing down their neck about; more or less of X,Y, or Z. In short, what I have to do so that I can do what I want to do; continue to minister to the students. </p>
<p>Ultimately, God measures our ministry in terms of faithfulness, not coolness and thankfully, not based on the number of happy parents, pastors, or board members there are in our entourage. One day we will stand before God to give account for our ministry. Not before boards, well meaning parents, and definitely not fickle tweens who, if they chose you because you were &#8216;cool&#8217;, won&#8217;t be around long anyway because there is always someone cooler than you. </p>
<p>Is your ministry drawing attention to Jesus Christ? That is the ultimate question.</p>
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		<title>Comment on #symc2010 The Myth of the Rockstar Youth Pastor by Dave furst</title>
		<link>http://ministryplace.net/2010/02/symc2010-the-myth-of-the-rockstar-youth-pastor/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ask great questions. I believe that great answers come first from great question and are followed by great conversation and careful study of the word. 
I think that at some place somewhere the answer to each of your questions is both yes and no. But I want to talk about is the aging population of youth ministers. I do believe that the population of youth pastors is aging. But I don&#039;t believe that this is a bad thing. I believe that youth ministry has become an accepted lifelong ministry and less of a stepping stone. Just look at the number of universities that offer degrees in youth ministry, the wealth of material and the levels of support that exist for your pastors today. Research has shown a steady            
 increase in the salary of youth pastors as well. All of this I believe is why I&#039;m seeing an aging youth pastor group. But I don&#039;t believe that we are aging in a dangerous way. I also see many young and energetic students who are joining the ranks in youth ministry.  I believe that the number of men and women in youth ministry is growing at a furious pace. If there are more of the veteran youth pastors than the new and young, I believe it&#039;s because they are &quot;staying in it&quot; longer. I don&#039;t believe we are aging into oblivion. I do believe that the youth pastor force is growing because of two reasons. One is were staying longer the other is recruitment for youth ministry is huge and successful. 

Just my thoughts. Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ask great questions. I believe that great answers come first from great question and are followed by great conversation and careful study of the word.<br />
I think that at some place somewhere the answer to each of your questions is both yes and no. But I want to talk about is the aging population of youth ministers. I do believe that the population of youth pastors is aging. But I don&#8217;t believe that this is a bad thing. I believe that youth ministry has become an accepted lifelong ministry and less of a stepping stone. Just look at the number of universities that offer degrees in youth ministry, the wealth of material and the levels of support that exist for your pastors today. Research has shown a steady<br />
 increase in the salary of youth pastors as well. All of this I believe is why I&#8217;m seeing an aging youth pastor group. But I don&#8217;t believe that we are aging in a dangerous way. I also see many young and energetic students who are joining the ranks in youth ministry.  I believe that the number of men and women in youth ministry is growing at a furious pace. If there are more of the veteran youth pastors than the new and young, I believe it&#8217;s because they are &#8220;staying in it&#8221; longer. I don&#8217;t believe we are aging into oblivion. I do believe that the youth pastor force is growing because of two reasons. One is were staying longer the other is recruitment for youth ministry is huge and successful. </p>
<p>Just my thoughts. Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sometimes we make things harder than they have to be&#8230; by admin</title>
		<link>http://ministryplace.net/2010/01/sometimes-we-make-things-harder-than-they-have-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I&#039;m not trying to start a flame war, but to speak the truth in love (Eph 4:29). &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

The one facet of God you forget is that He is just. He cannot allow sin in His presence and still be God. There has to be a price paid for sin. Jesus paid that price for those that accept His atonement. If there were no Hell, Jesus&#039; incarnation as man and death on the cross would be completely unnecessary. We would all live, die, and go to heaven. You could live and do whatever you want. You would not need Jesus for anything. 

 Your quote of Luke 9:51-56 is taken completely out of historical context. The context that Jesus presents in that passage is that the timing was not right. Just because a couple blowhard disciples wanted to torch a city, doesn&#039;t mean that God is going to obey OUR will and circumvent HIS will. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
True, there are a few statements that made their way into the copies of copies of copies of the gospel texts which place “Hell” on Jesus’ lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a bold statement to make in Evangelical circles without extremely good source material backing it up. I&#039;m also not looking for Gnostic gospel material of questionable historicity.  

I can stand in the middle of an interstate and boldly proclaim that there is no Hell, but the truth of the matter is I&#039;m going to be a little grease spot on the road when it&#039;s all said and done. Same principle applies to belief in Jesus, God, Hell, etc. 

With your permission, I&#039;d like to expand this to a full post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>I&#8217;m not trying to start a flame war, but to speak the truth in love (Eph 4:29). </strong></em></p>
<p>The one facet of God you forget is that He is just. He cannot allow sin in His presence and still be God. There has to be a price paid for sin. Jesus paid that price for those that accept His atonement. If there were no Hell, Jesus&#8217; incarnation as man and death on the cross would be completely unnecessary. We would all live, die, and go to heaven. You could live and do whatever you want. You would not need Jesus for anything. </p>
<p> Your quote of Luke 9:51-56 is taken completely out of historical context. The context that Jesus presents in that passage is that the timing was not right. Just because a couple blowhard disciples wanted to torch a city, doesn&#8217;t mean that God is going to obey OUR will and circumvent HIS will. </p>
<blockquote><p>
True, there are a few statements that made their way into the copies of copies of copies of the gospel texts which place “Hell” on Jesus’ lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a bold statement to make in Evangelical circles without extremely good source material backing it up. I&#8217;m also not looking for Gnostic gospel material of questionable historicity.  </p>
<p>I can stand in the middle of an interstate and boldly proclaim that there is no Hell, but the truth of the matter is I&#8217;m going to be a little grease spot on the road when it&#8217;s all said and done. Same principle applies to belief in Jesus, God, Hell, etc. </p>
<p>With your permission, I&#8217;d like to expand this to a full post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sometimes we make things harder than they have to be&#8230; by RickLannoye</title>
		<link>http://ministryplace.net/2010/01/sometimes-we-make-things-harder-than-they-have-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>RickLannoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that the REAL good news Jesus brought about God is very simple, but he never, ever said God is going to torture people for not believing in his love by a given deadline. On the contrary, Jesus&#039; message about God was that he never gives up on us, even when we disappoint him. This is the REAL Good News!

I&#039;ve actually written an entire book on this topic--&quot;Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There&#039;s No Such Place As Hell,&quot; (for anyone interested, you can get a free ecopy of my book at my website: &lt;strong&gt;ADMIN DELETE&lt;/strong&gt;, but if I may, let me share one of the many points I make in it to explain why.

If one is willing to look, there&#039;s substantial evidence contained in the gospels to show that Jesus opposed the idea of Hell. For example, in Luke 9:51-56, is a story about his great disappointment with his disciples when they actually suggested imploring God to rain FIRE on a village just because they had rejected him. His response: &quot;You don&#039;t know what spirit is inspiring this kind of talk!&quot; Presumably, it was NOT the Holy Spirit. He went on, trying to explain how he had come to save, heal and relieve suffering, not be the CAUSE of it.

So it only stands to reason that this same Jesus, who was appalled at the very idea of burning a few people, for a few horrific minutes until they were dead, could never, ever burn BILLIONS of people for an ETERNITY!

True, there are a few statements that made their way into the copies of copies of copies of the gospel texts which place “Hell” on Jesus’ lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.

Bear in mind that the historical Protestant doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures applies only to the original autographs, not the copies. But sadly, the interpolations that made their way into those copies have provided a convenient excuse for a lot of people to get around following Jesus’ real, core message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that the REAL good news Jesus brought about God is very simple, but he never, ever said God is going to torture people for not believing in his love by a given deadline. On the contrary, Jesus&#8217; message about God was that he never gives up on us, even when we disappoint him. This is the REAL Good News!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually written an entire book on this topic&#8211;&#8221;Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There&#8217;s No Such Place As Hell,&#8221; (for anyone interested, you can get a free ecopy of my book at my website: <strong>ADMIN DELETE</strong>, but if I may, let me share one of the many points I make in it to explain why.</p>
<p>If one is willing to look, there&#8217;s substantial evidence contained in the gospels to show that Jesus opposed the idea of Hell. For example, in Luke 9:51-56, is a story about his great disappointment with his disciples when they actually suggested imploring God to rain FIRE on a village just because they had rejected him. His response: &#8220;You don&#8217;t know what spirit is inspiring this kind of talk!&#8221; Presumably, it was NOT the Holy Spirit. He went on, trying to explain how he had come to save, heal and relieve suffering, not be the CAUSE of it.</p>
<p>So it only stands to reason that this same Jesus, who was appalled at the very idea of burning a few people, for a few horrific minutes until they were dead, could never, ever burn BILLIONS of people for an ETERNITY!</p>
<p>True, there are a few statements that made their way into the copies of copies of copies of the gospel texts which place “Hell” on Jesus’ lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that the historical Protestant doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures applies only to the original autographs, not the copies. But sadly, the interpolations that made their way into those copies have provided a convenient excuse for a lot of people to get around following Jesus’ real, core message.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Great, Humbling Story&#8230; by Tweets that mention MinistryPlace.Net » Blog Archive » A Great, Humbling Story… -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>100 blog topics I hope YOU write &#124; Life in Student Ministry</dc:creator>
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